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« on: March 17, 2006, 11:28:44 PM »

Exclamation I am not sure as what to do with static IPS from the isp, I am also using a dlink 624 router as this is what I was told I had to use. I am a little confused as I am not a network guru yet. I have 2 personal computers, 1 more for my business, and 1 IP camera which all was fine till I was told to use a router from my isp support. Now with the 5 static ip addresses I was issued this is becoming a little to much to grasp. Is there anyone that could have some input on this or links to help? I don't really have the time during dlinks support hours of operation as I am in Canada Neutral
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 11:51:52 PM »

Welcome to the forum fergy623. hello Just wanted to say hi.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2006, 12:02:40 AM »

Exclamation I am not sure as what to do with static IPS from the isp, I am also using a dlink 624 router as this is what I was told I had to use. I am a little confused as I am not a network guru yet. I have 2 personal computers, 1 more for my business, and 1 IP camera which all was fine till I was told to use a router from my isp support. Now with the 5 static ip addresses I was issued this is becoming a little to much to grasp. Is there anyone that could have some input on this or links to help? I don't really have the time during dlinks support hours of operation as I am in Canada Neutral

You have not given much to work with but I'll bite.....your application of the router will be much different than most.  In the simplest of terms, most people get a router so they can connect multiple computers to a single IP address.  The router acts as DHCP server assigning an internal (or private aka 192.168.x.x.) IP address to each device connected to the router (wired or wireless).

In your case you will not need to use the routers DHCP function.  You will however need to setup the beast and that is the trick.

I am concerned about a couple of things.  Why do you think that you need 5 static IP addresses.  In most cases they are not cheap (at least $10 per month per).  I know you have a camera and some other devices but with some creative configuring you can punch holes in that router and pass the appropriate traffic to the right device with only one IP.  It also depends on the make and model of your router and how flexible it is.

Hows about some more information about your desired applications and with a little luck we can give you a better idea of what to do.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2006, 02:11:39 AM »

give us some more information and we might be able to help you configure your home network

tell us a fake ip address or the real one if you are comfortable with it
the 5 ip you have been given

you will need to set static ip address in you machine and in your router

im sure we can give you a hand on this
let us know more about your configurations and what you want to achive
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2006, 07:19:23 PM »

The idea of static IPs is kinda of a thing of the past in the consumer world.  Like just about everyone has said, with DHCP on routers most providors provide 1 IP, normally dynamic, per customer.   

A few things about static IPs first.   Static means it doesnt change.  This has it advantages and its disadvantages.  First if you are going to host anytype of server or service on the internet having a Static IP makes it about 300% easier.   Second, since it never changes it does leave you open to DoS attacks and other little fun exploits that some people run.

Now for a solution.  This depends on what you want to do.  There are two things to consider:

1) Security-  Since you are have static IPs they are never going to change.  Which means that if you have spyware or your computer become a portal for hackers, it is that much harder to get rid of.   In comes the router.  I believe that the ISP recommened this for your safety and your computer well being.  What the router is going to do is filter out about 99% of all request that come from the internet looking for ports that are open on the computers themselves.   Of course the router can only be so effictive.. I would still recommend installing local firewalls, software such as zonealarm, to protect incase something does get throught the router.

2) Easy of setup- The other thing that you need to consider is how easy it is to maintain.   If you are going to use an IP camera the most important thing about using a device like that is to make sure that IP stays the same.   Either way you are going to have to assign a static IP address for the camera so that the firewall rules go through the router correctly.   This also means that you are going to have to open ports for the camera to be acessable over the internet.

Since you already have 5 static IP addresses I would recommend keeping the router.   I have one of many solutions that you could use.  You could also disable DHCP but then you would loose some of the secuity of a router.

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 07:34:23 PM »

Swimmer's network diagram is an excellent way to create your network.  Assuming you take his/her advice you will also be able to reduce the number of static IP's you are renting as well (unless of course you really think you need 5 <<---please think long and hard about your desired application....you probably only need 2, 3 at most)
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 07:58:09 PM »

my guess is that it is some type of business package.. it seems that most of the Big Pipe's business deals have static ips so that you can run servers off of them.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 09:14:41 PM »

my guess is that it is some type of business package.. it seems that most of the Big Pipe's business deals have static ips so that you can run servers off of them.

I tend to agree unless he had the misfortune of getting one very hungry sales agent or one who just was clueless as to what he really needed (trust me....that could go either way)  Many cable companies will not give statics to residential subscribers unless they upgrade to a business package.  What's worse is some residential sales agents will sell subscribers additiional dynamic ip addresses (thinking they are static, and communicating it as such) not really understanding what they are doing or even knowing what the difference between an additional dynamic ip address vss an additional STATIC ip address is.  Since many ISP's do not force changes on their dynamics very often a subscriber will go for months thinking they have static because their address kept renewing and they were lucky at the draw.  But thats another topic altogether....anyway, look forward to hearing from him to see what he actually wants to accomplish.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2006, 04:40:05 AM »

Thankyou all for your input as this is far better support than service providers can give.
My hardware as it stands is dynex switch, DI-624 dlink router, and DI-704up dlink router. Linking together at the first building where the internet is a wireless or Motorola Canopy 900MHz subscriber module, this is connected to the Switch that is connected to the DI-624. also from the switch is Cat5 cable to the 2nd building where I have the DI-704up connecting the home computers, printers. The DI-624 has 2 Business Computers and an IP camera. The diagram of swimmers is very close for the first building, and I could connect the camera to the switch. I am on a medium business package with xplornet and this includes 5 static ips. the subnet mask is 255.255.255.224 and the static are all in order xxx.xxx.xxx.xx1 through 5
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 06:21:55 AM »

I would try it and see if that resolves your address issues on your camera.. I do think there is a huge security risk in having a camera out on the net, from a hardware standpoint.   I dont there the is really anything that the can do to it that could cause it to malfunction or shoot laser beams out of the lense.. Laughing 

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 07:49:57 AM »

I would try it and see if that resolves your address issues on your camera.. I do think there is a huge security risk in having a camera out on the net, from a hardware standpoint.   I dont there the is really anything that the can do to it that could cause it to malfunction or shoot laser beams out of the lense.. Laughing 



Shoot lasers out of the lens......now that could be quite entertaining........heeerrrreeee intruder truder.....Zaaap! Buhahahahahah
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2006, 07:50:40 AM »

haha yeah.. never know what those hackers/spyware/viruses will do to your system..
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2006, 08:01:11 AM »

haha yeah.. never know what those hackers/spyware/viruses will do to your system..

I was thinking more of him sitting at home....deliberately leaving the office door open with some type of inviting thing in the window and watching via the laser webcam as the first of many would be burglars tried to break in only to be foiled remotely by his trusty laser cam.  To have the full effect he would need to be able to talk to his would be intruders...yep...thats a must....I can just see it now....."u u u uhhhhh....don't touch that...." Zaaaap off go the right toes........"u u u uhhhhh can't touch that either" Zaaaap......off go the left fingers......."don't come back now......yaaaa hear" KaaaaBlaaaam.....one last blast in the arse as the burglar exits the building in horror......NOW THATS WHAT I CALL A REAL FPS GAME!!!
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2006, 08:17:31 AM »

now.. let take you idea.. and bring it to life and reality..

http://www.usmechatronics.com/old_page/turret.htm

some college students made a airsoft gun that uses video recognition to id targets then shoots.. check out the videos.. Laughing strap your ip cam that that...  Wow this got off topic... back to topic!
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2006, 08:26:33 AM »

talking about video surveillance
check out this site
http://www.visec.net/index.php?agentid=wpprof
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