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« on: January 07, 2005, 11:51:13 PM »

Has anyone upgraded to professional?  If so, do they have to install a new dish...And how much do they charge to do that?  Also, it's just $20 extra a month right?  Thanx,
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2005, 12:13:38 AM »

Use your existing dish with the DW4000/6000, its $30 more.

Edit: Its just a simple phone call to upgrade service.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 03:02:45 AM »

Hey there TBrown,

Before I upgraded to a DW6000 with .98m dish I was using DW4000 modems and a .71m dish on Sat-Mex5.  The Pro service cost me $89.99 per month and had a FAP threshold of 500MB.  My only complaint was rainfade due to the small dish, but the increase in 'megs' for downloading before being smacked with their dumb FAP was sure nice!  When you DO get FAP'ed your 'bucket' will fill up at 50-per-hour instead of the lower number you have now.  All-in-all, I felt it was worth the extra bucks.  It's probably the only safe move one can make 'inside' DirecWay's Den of Deceits.  lol...

I DO NOT feel that my present Commercial System is worth anything ...not even the powder it would take to blow to blow it to ....  Twisted Evil

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2005, 10:14:56 PM »

Thanx for the reply guys!  I called today to upgrade..but I guess they aren't open on the weekends Confused  But the reason I'm wantin to upgrade is because I'm wanting to share another computer off the sattelite.  I read on the dways' site that they recommend using the 6000, but can it be done with the 4000?
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2005, 01:34:59 AM »

DWay is open 24/7 ..just call 1-866-347-3292 and follow the voice prompts.  (They will refuse to provide you with any help related to Home Networking anyway, which is exactly what you'll be doing.   :rolleyes2:  Actually, they will provide you with "limited" support if you get the right tech when you call.

In answer to your question, you DO NOT have to upgrade to anything ...all you need to do is enable ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) on what will be called your "Host" computer ....and you can then add as many other computers to it that you wish so that everyone can access the Internet.  This can be done using CAT5-cable (Ethernet Cable) or via a Wireless Connection (such as what you can do if using a D-Link 614+ Router ...which are very inexpensive and (IMHO) easy to work with.  You'll need a Router, or a "Hub", or a "Smart Switch" (which the D-link or any Router can "pretend" to be with no problem).  Of course, each computer, including yours, is also going to need an Ethernet (NIC) Card that is 10/100 'capable' (no worry, they all are unless you specify differently).

What happens is that when you configure your HOST computer for ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), it will hand out DHCP numbers to all of the other computers hooked into your system, which are called "Clients."  I have attached a .pdf (Adobe Acrobat) file provided by DirecWay, but they make it sound 100 times more complicated so here's what I would do (and was doing) when I was using a DW4000 setup with four other machines attached to me via ICS.

In a nutshell, you'll have The Internet, running to the Host (which is running ICS), which then runs to a HUB (ie: Router, Hub, Smartswitch), and then (finally) your Client (non-Host) computers.  That was the long way of describing a LAN (Local Area Network) ...which is what you'll have using ICS ...and it's 'easy as pie' to set up!

Using DirecWay, there are five steps needed to configure ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) in order to have a working LAN ...plus a few "must haves" for the sake of security (ie; Firewall, Antivirus, etc).

1.  Install DirecWay on the computer that will be the Host (hell ...you've already done that much)!
2.  Verify network communications are viable (working) between the Host and Client Computer(s).
3.  Configure ICS on the Host computer
4.  Configure the Client Computer(s) to access the Internet via the Host computer using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) ...brought to you by Micro$soft!
5.  Configure Microsoft Outlook Express and Internet Explorer on the Client computer(s)

You'll need to determine what your IP Address is.  (I have NO idea what OS you are using so I will assume you are using XP ...the attached pdf manual has the instructions for Win95, 98, 98SE, 2000 and XP (Home or Pro) within it ....they are all pretty much alike.
On the Host computer, Click on START, then RUN, type in < command > (without the < or the >) and hit the Enter key.  Now you are looking at the DOS Command Window.  Type < ipconfig > then hit Enter.  A list of Ethernet Adapters and their IP addresses will be displayed.  (Yours will start with 169.254.?.? (like 169.254.44.101 OR it might look more like 192.168.?.? ...it all depends upon your OS) ...so just jot it down someplace cuz you'll need it from time to time while setting up, and for troubleshooting later (God forbid).  Now just type < Exit > and hit the Enter key or click on the X 'box' to close the DOS window.

Now you need to hook up everything in order to configure it to be an operating LAN.  You'll need an Ethernet (NIC) Card in each computer (unless the motherboard already has CAT5 connecters built into it ...if so that will save you having to buy a NIC card plus the installation of it!  Otherwise, ya gotta have a NIC for each computer (the installation instructions come with the NIC cards and it's a "no-brainer."  lol... 

The following link is pretty good since it covers most all of the OS's ...and we don't know which one you are using!  heheh ....At the very least it'll make a good reference 'tool':  (No doubt somebody, or several somebodies, will add to my reply with far better reference sites than I can remember at this hour of the day)! 

http://www.newenglandantenna.com/DirecWay4000/ics.htm is one site that Google found.

What will drive ya nuts is that very few sites will actually tell you WHICH WIRE TO PLUG IN WHERE ...so let's get that much done and over with to save you one or two Darvocets, Hydrocodones, or your preferred weapon against migraines.  (Beer doesn't hurt either).   :tongue2:

I think everyone has a slightly different 'array' of wiring, and they all will work, but this is how I rigged up my DW4000 modems so that I could use ICS to supply four other computers (aside from my own), with Internet access.  I bought a D-Link 614+ Router, but didn't use it as a "router" ...it was just a "smart switch" or what is more commonly called a "Hub."  All a Hub does is give you a place to plug the Ethernet wires into coming from each Client Computer.  (From the NIC Card output/input to one of the Ports in the back of the Hub (ie; or Router or whatever ya wanna call it).  My D-Link had four Ports so everybody was plugged into their own Port, 1 through 4.  I was the Host computer, so I plugged my NIC wire (Ethernet cable), into Port #1 of the D-Link PLUS I ran another USB wire from one of my USB Ports on the Host Computer to the USB Port found in the back of the TOP DW4000 modem.  (You have to run a USB Cable from the Host to the DW4000 USB Port so that you will have access to the Internet ...otherwise you won't have anything to "share" when using ICS.  (In this case, an Internet connection).  Your Host computer will be wired DIRECTLY into the DW4000 modems thus the HOST will have Internet access that will be shared using ICS to the other computer(s).    (If anyone is wondering, the "extra" computer used a wireless connection)!

Voila!  Your LAN (Local Area Network) is now wired.  Now let's get everything configured.  This sounds hard due to the amount of wording.  In 'real life', it takes about 15 - 30 minutes "tops" from start to finish and you shouldn't run into any bumps along the way.  If you do, it only means that something is not configured correctly and finding the problem isn't hard at all ...so no worries!   Laughing  In your instance, you should have a wire running from the Host computer's USB Port to the back of the DW4000 modem, an Ethernet (CAT-5) NIC wire running from your NIC card 'plug' to one of the Ports (usually #1) on your Router or Hub, and an Ethernet Cable (wire) running from your Client (other computer) to Port #2 of the Router or Hub.  Now we are going to set things up so that both machines will 'talk' to each other and thereby "share" your access to the Internet by using ICS ...which is already built right into your OS thanks to Mr. Bill @ Micro$oft! 

Grab that IP number that you wrote down earlier (the one starting with 169.254 (or perhaps it starts with 192.168).  Have a seat behind the keyboard of your Client Computer.  Click on START, RUN, type in < command > then hit OK (Enter).  To see if you can 'talk' to yur Host computer, type < ping > (followed by a space) then type in that number you jotted down.  So, it will look like c:\>ping 192.168.3.101 (or ping (space - the # you jotted down).  The ping command is a standard utility that sends and receives communications between computers.  If you were successful, you just got four "reply" lines so that the entire window will look something like this:

c:\>ping 169.254.23.193

Pinging 169.254.23.193 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 169.254.23.193:  bytes=32  time=1ms  TTL=128
Reply from 169.254.23.193:  bytes=32  time=<10ms  TTL-128
Reply from 169.254.23.193:  bytes=32  time=1ms  TTL=128
Reply from 169.254.23.193:  bytes=32  time=1ms  TTL=128

Ping statistics for 169.254.23.193:
    Packets:  Sent = 4,  Received = 4,  Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 0ms,  Maximum = 1ms,  Average = 0ms

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If it has different numbers that's fine ...it means the computers can 'talk' to each other.  If you didn't get a successful ping, everything will look about the same except you'll have FOUR lines that will say < Request timed out.> ....which means that something isn't quite right, but not a problem to fix I'm sure.
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Whether the "ping" worked or not, you'll have to configure your Client(s) computer to use ICS.  Assuming you are using XP, here's how to do it.  If you are using a different OS, just refer to the 'attached' pdf manual and it will tell you how to go about it.

Configuring ICS for a Windows XP Host

Open the Control Panel (Start ---->Control Panel)
Double-click the Network Connections Icon
A list of Network Connections (and dialup if you have it) will be displayed.  There must be at least 2 (two) LAN Connections listed here.  One connection will be the DirecWay Satellite USB Device and the other will be the network interface that connects the Host wih the other computer(s) on the network (LAN).  These two connections MUST be present for the network to be installed correctly.

Right-click on the LOCAL AREA CONNECTION icon that corresponds with the Satellite USB Device and then select PROPERTIES.  (You can determine which one is the Satellite USB device by reading the DETAILS box in the lower left part of the window (or 'hover' your mouse over it and a 'balloon help' will pop up and tell you).
A list of installed components will appear on the GENERAL tab.  Ensure that the CLIENT FOR MICROSOFT NETWORKS and INTERNET PROTOCOL (TCP/IP) are "checked" as installed.  (In fact ...all four items there should be "checked").

Click the ADVANCED Tab and place a 'check' in the ALLOW OTHER NETWORK USERS TO CONNECT THROUGH THIS COMPUTERS INTERNET CONNECTION.  (If your Client ever loses the ability to get on the web ...this is the very first place to look, because sometimes it will 'uncheck' itself)!  lol....  Danged Microsoft!  The top line about your Internet Connection Firewall should only be checked if it is the only Firewall that you have, otherwise don't check it or you'll end up having conflicts and strange behavior.  DO NOT check the ALLOW OTHER NETWORK USERS TO CONTROL OR DISABLE THE SHARED INTERNET CONNECTION because it's an invitation for hackers to take over your computer if you DO check it ...so you "get my drift" I'm sure!  There, now that you've done all that, your Local Area Connection will now say that it is "Shared" (on the left side of the window under DETAILS).  It will also list your IP Address, Subnet Mask, and it will state "Manually Configured."

*Even though your computer may not prompt you to do so, please reboot now to ensure that your Host will be able to communicate with your Client(s) computer(s).  (After you reboot, the first thing you want to do is make sure that you can get on the Internet ...if not, go back and see what you may have overlooked ...or what I forgot to mention)! ...lol  Anyway, now it's time to setup (configure) your Client(s).... again, this is how you'd do it with an XP OS:

Configuring Windows XP CLIENT to access the HOST Computer

First, save yourself a headache and make sure that the network is installed correctly so far.  At a Client computer, open the Control Panel (Start ---->Control Panel) and double-click the Network Connections icon.  A list of NETWORK ADAPTERS will be displayed.  The LOCAL AREA CONNECTION adapter MUST be listed.  If not, the network isn't yet installed properly.  (Let's assume that it is though, and continue)...

Right-click on the LOCAL AREA CONNECTION (LAN) icon that corresponds with the Network adapter that connects the computer to the network and then select PROPERTIES.  On the GENERAL TAB, ensure that CLIENT FOR MICROSOFT NETWORK and INTERNET PROTOCOL (TCP/IP) are installed and checked. (FILE AND PRINTER SHARING AND QoS PACKET SCHEDULER will also be listed and should be 'checked' as well).

Highlight INTERNET PROTOCOL (TCP/IP) and then select PROPERTIES.  Select OBTAIN AN IP ADDRESS AUTOMATICALLY and OBTAIN DNS SERVER ADDRESS AUTOMATICALLY.  Now click the ADVANCED button.  Ensure that only the DHCP setting is Enabled.  Click OK to continue.  Click OK to close the TCP/IP Properties window.  Now click OK THREE MORE TIMES to finish.  Please reboot/restart your computer even if it doesn't ask you to do so.

Now, about the only thing left is to configure your Browser and E-mail settings.  I don't know which version of IE or OE you are using, so this is a 'generic' instruction, but good enough to make it work (I pray).  lol....  Probably the easiest way to do this is to launch your Internet Connection Wizard (now, this is assuming that you don't yet have a connection) ...so don't TRASH your connection by running this next sequence of events unless you can see that you are not yet setup in the way this describes ....it's only for if you are starting "cold", and setting up things "from scratch" you see. 

*You may need to "borrow" some of the following info for use with your new LAN!

Click on START, then RUN and type in <inetwiz >.  Select CONNECT USING MY LOCAL AREA NETWORK (LAN) ...then click NEXT.
Place a check in the checkbox labeled MANUAL PROXY SERVER.  Ensure that the checkboxes for AUTOMATIC DISCOVERY OF PROXY SERVER (RECOMMENDED) and USE AUTOMATIC CONFIGURATION SCRIPT are unchecked, then click NEXT.  In the HTTP ROW enter 192.168.0.1 in the PROXY TO USE FIELD and 85 (or 83 or 87 or whatever you are presently using!!!!) in the PORT field.  (mine used to be 83 until I moved into a DW6000, then it changed to 87).  I have found that alot of folks who are using Port 85 can go a bit faster and smoother if they use Port 83.  (Also, just because the HOST computer is using Port 85 or 83 doesn't mean that the CLIENT computer must also use the same)!  They can be different and not cause any issues that I am aware of.  Ensure that USE THE SAME PROXY FOR ALL PROTOCOLS is unchecked, then click NEXT.  If there are IP Addresess for which you do not want to use a proxy, enter them in the window provided, then click NEXT.

Select YES to set up an Internet e-mail account and click NEXT.  Type your NAME (or handle) in the space provided and then click NEXT.  Enter your e-mail address in the space provided and click NEXT.  (If you would like to see what email addresses are asociated with your DirecWay account just rerun WebSetup:  START --->Programs ----->DirecWay ------>WebSetup).  Enter the mail server names in the space provided.  The incoming DirecWay mail server name is pop3.DirecWay.com and the outgoing DirecWay mail server name is smtp.DirecWay.com.  Click NEXT...  Enter your Username and Password in the fields provided.  Ensure that the checkbox for LOG ON USING SECURE PASSWORD AUTHENTICATION (SPA) is NOT checked, then click NEXT.  Hey!  Click FINISH to complete the configuration!

Now, if you sit down at your Client computer and bring up the DOS window, you should be able to ping your Host computer.  (ie; ping 192.168.0.1).  You should also be able to access the web and email using the Client computer.  If you can, well done!  If you can't, I've either made an error in my descriptions (which you'll find the fix for in the attached PDF Manual), or perhaps you missed a step along the way here.  Troubleshooting your system is just a matter of rechecking all of your settings ...and it's that simple.

Of course, in order for the Client computer to be able to access the Internet and e-mail, the Host computer must be ON!  (Mine stayed on 24/7/365 for two years except for reboots every week or so)!   :tongue2: 

Hey, I hope this helps you out a bit better than some of the articles I've read on the web.  (At least you know where the wires are supposed to go ...and that's the part that nearly drove me insane when I had NO CLUE how to set up a LAN).   :rolleyes2:

Good luck and Cheers TBrown!  Very Happy






















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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2005, 03:34:51 AM »

Ask CA3LE to add that to the guides we have. I think it's going to be viewed a lot.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2005, 03:55:50 AM »

damn........fwew guy, how do you do it? yes, please do add that to the guides...i'm not on DirecWay, but still. Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2005, 08:35:51 AM »

hey  Reverend Smile

It would be great if you could add this to Guides, also how to tweak DW systems for speed, just email CA3LE Smile

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2005, 08:48:55 AM »

Hey There Van-B!

Not only has CA3BLE seen it, but we've been messaging back and forth.  He "noticed" my contribution and has made me a "Moderator" for the DirecWay part of this site!  Wow!  I graciously accepted of course but I had no idea I would be honored in such a way!  (Just helping folks the same way that I would want to be helped)!   Smile

*I am working on a FULL Guide on how to tweak out a DW6000 system, then I'll follow up with another for DW4000 systems as soon as I have collected enough data on the latest DW4000 "tricks."  (But thank you very much for the input ...coming from you I view it as another honor)!   Thanks!

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2005, 01:12:26 AM »

Thanx alot reverend!   Which kind of ethernet cable should I use...direct patch cable or a cross over cable?  And also,  what kind of "hub" should I get..would anyone work?  Sorry for so many questions...but I just wanna make sure I purchase the right stuff.  Thanx again,
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2005, 01:50:00 AM »

Switch, using or will again a Linksys Etherfast 10/100 5 port.

I had a HUB and went with a switch instead, LAN had a preformance boost.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2005, 02:04:49 AM »

Thanx alot reverend! Which kind of ethernet cable should I use...direct patch cable or a cross over cable? And also, what kind of "hub" should I get..would anyone work? Sorry for so many questions...but I just wanna make sure I purchase the right stuff. Thanx again,
Travis

No problem Travis - you sparked off a very unexpected and welcome chain of events in my behalf with your simple question that enticed me to write that article about building a LAN (using DirecWay as an ISP).  Thank you sir!  You know, the #1 reason I replied like I did is because of the avatar that you use, (the man with "War Hero" on his ballcap, and the "stark" dates that tell it all in 'black and white').  You see, I am a retired Navy S.E.A.L. and that avatar 'got to me' bigtime ...so I 'gave it all I had' for the sake of Dimebag Darrell because HE truly "gave it all."  ...and that's how it is Travis. 

Umm, you just need a regular, medium priced Ethernet cable.  Doesn't need to be anything fancy at all.  So "Direct Patch" would be best in this instance.  As far as hubs go, unless you just NEED a router in the future, you could get away with (literally) anything because all you are going to be doing with the Hub is "splitting signals" ...(hell, you could make your own in an afternoon)!  lol...  If you want to get slightly fancier, you could get a D-Link 614+ wireless or equivalent.  (They are rock solid and CHEAP but you just don't need a router for any reason UNLESS you want to take advantage of having a "hardware" firewall ...which most routers offer but ya really don't need a hardware firewall unless you are running a Static IP # ...THEN I would recommend using a hardware firewall just to ensure you keep hackers out of your system (they love hacking broadband ...especially DirecWay users because most are easy targets). 

My D-Link took a beating and is still bombproof.  With a wireless capable router you could use a wireless connection to the other computer, yet at the cost of reduced speed plus the added expense of having to buy a wireless NIC for the Client machine (I tossed all my wireless cards back into the boxes in favor of a completely hard-wired system, so I'd stick with 'hard wiring' your entire system just to keep it simple (and easily fixed too)!  Another reason for shying away from Wireless is that if you are in an area that's "metro", there is an increased risk of "War Drivers" running around with laptops in their cars trying to butt into your system via your wireless frequencies ...and even if you are using WEP (Wireless Encrption) ...they have 'fast and easy' ways around it ....so to me it wasn't worth the risk and the wireless cards went back into the boxes in favor of 'hard-wiring' ...plus it's faster by far!

For just the addition of ONE computer to make for a two-computer LAN ...you truly only need a half-decent Hub ...any model that's name-brand will suffice nicely.  Four Ports is about as small as they get I believe ...so I guess it is now down to a matter of what style and colours do ya like?  heheh...

No worries Travis.  I'm not going anywhere, and even if I do, there are tons of experts here that can get you up and running in no time with a LAN.  So don't be afraid about asking questions!  I'm online 24/7 and always logged into this website and so are 1/2 of the other Moderators.  Chances are I'll be awake at 3:40AM just as much as I am at 3:40PM ...I've forgotten what sleep is.  lol...  ***Don't be afraid to use my e-mail either.  That's why it's posted.  Smile

Good luck with your project and enjoy having the conveniences of a Home LAN.  (It's great for passing info from one computer to another)!  My LAN behaves like one "giant" computer ....there's no need to make use of a server since the entire system is essentially a server at this point!  lol....But, that's Part II ...coming right up!  Then we'll talk about HAL (Home Automated Living) ...where your computer systems can FULLY automate your house to include vacuuming the floors with a machine called a Tribolite ....very cool and a wife pleaser (or a bachelors best friend)!  lol...

Cheers!

I forgot to mention that if you are only going to add ONE computer to make a two-computer LAN, then you can skip the HUB/Router and just use a Cross-over cable!  (sorry so late on this info ...better late than never though)! 
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2005, 12:04:59 PM »

Thanks for checking for me, The only reason i asked that is because i was having a hard time using ICS with dw6000 because the modem is assigning a priviate IP to my pc not allowing windows to bind the shared connection to that local IP.. and to the best of my knowlage you cannot change the ip that windows uses for ics... I guess DirecWay's use of that pirivate ip is good for people who want to plug in and go.. but using a router is such a bad idea for the DW systems because your modem already has NAT..  so right now im using a 150 dollar  wireless router as a wireless switch : (
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