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« on: July 18, 2006, 06:21:48 PM »

I mean social security, the babyboomer generation are retiring now and they are all collecting. Will there be money left for us when we retire?
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2006, 06:33:54 PM »

There would have been if congress didn't keep talking surplus to balance the natonal debt and not paying it back. So don't blame the baby boomers blame the F#@&ing government. angry5
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2006, 07:06:10 PM »

There'll probably be nothing left in 20 years, maybe less.  People are retiring earlier and living longer than ever.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2006, 07:58:26 PM »

Let me tell you an even scarier story. Forget the money, I run a nursing home and we can barely care for our low census home now. We are at about 80% capacity and cannot staff it. Nurses and CNA's are harder and harder to find as well as physicians due to lawsuits. So the boomers better hope there is someone there to even care for them. Dont get me wrong it  will be great for me, Ill get pay out the wazzoo for what I do but the elderly will suffer. Something will have to happen. Its sad.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2006, 10:31:17 PM »

I agree with coknuck the government has tapped the SS ever since it started .If they hadn't there would be more than enough.
Heres my thoughts.The government will keep SS running because their not going to give up all that money the can tap.
The baby boomers that don't get sick will travel or spend their money in some way A good many don't depend only on SS.Some of this will supply money for the next generation.
The one problem I have is that if a senior citizen gets really sick then to get Medicade they have to loose almost every thing they own.To qualify.
Let some unmarried little slut with 4 kids & one more on the way apply & she gets Medicade no problem because she already doesn't own anything.This needs to be corrected.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2006, 10:52:55 PM »

The baby boomers earned it! The welfare  and the Damned gov't stole it.
How do you think Clinton got partly reelected? He stole some of the SS and paid some on it. Politicians don't give a damn, they make too much to collect anyway. Instead of cutting good hard working individuals jobs, make the lazy welfare bums get off their  :booty: and get to work. In Fla. I believe they have a rule that should be nation wide. (correct me if I am wrong) The welfare people have to get off their lazy duffs and clean the streets, or some type of cummunity service. Saving tax payers $ on payroll, to do some job no one else wants necesarily. And I do know they have very clean streets there also. At least when I visited several years ago.
Quickest way to eliminate welfare, is to make them work. I would not mind working if I could get everything taken care of. Rent, food, utilities, a little spending money, free health care, free college, clothing, etc...
But they do have to pay for their phone, internet, drugs, alcohol, gasoline, and maybe a few essentials.
Retired folks who worked for a living don't get half of that!

So yeah, go ahead and blame the baby boomers. Sounds like a political speech, to blame the Baby Boomers!
If you want $$, WORK ! !
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2006, 11:12:23 PM »

I resent the F#@& out of welfare. Like Cholla said why should we pay for some bitch that gets pregnant. Make her & his parents pay. They should sterilize the bitch to get on welfare so they don't have more kids to add to he welfare rolls and cut his nuts so he can't repeoduce. angry5 angry5 angry5
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006, 09:13:03 AM »

Oh guys, we have exactly the same problem in the UK, I figured it out some years back ( I am now 60y )  so I made some adjustments , and stopped working at 55y
in the UK the retirement age has now risen to 67y and will rise to 70y soon,
we have no car/aircraft/shipbuilding industry  left, so all the engineers have disappeared  disillusioned , and into other things , now I get phone calls from companies asking to help them out, so for me work is no problem , not regular but when it is there I make them pay , it makes me feel better , revenge is mine, type of thing ,
The UK government is aware of the lack of it's skilled workforce , and is letting in migrants by the jumbo load, trouble with that, they have found  they also don't want to work either, they can get more on the social than they could working  back home ,
strangely enough we now have a major crime increase, the GOV. is starting a inquiry into this , LOL
last year I decided to claim unemployment payment , for the first time in my life,
that a shock, I was the only British native in the queue of 90 ,
I got turned down,  I quote "with your skills you must be able to find a job "
everyone else walked out smiling , I finally got my claim upheld and got the basic $90 a week , for 25 weeks, thanks UK GOV I have been paying into the scheme for 45 years,

The biggest scam of all is life expectancy, yes it has risen in the UK by a few years ,
but what the Gov is not saying , only for the more affluent , for manual workers it has not changed that much, so the raise the pension age by 2-5 years ( would you want to be digging holes in the road at 70 y ) , the rich can choose when they retire , so you work to 70y and die shortly after,
good news for the government , no pension to payout,

hey I am getting angry , angrier than I am with coca-cola USA  Very Happy,

  Regards Roco  UK

   
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2006, 09:59:19 PM »

alan8187 lets take a look at this.
What's FICA again?
12.4 percent of your earned income must be paid into Social Security, and an additional 2.9 percent must be paid into Medicare. (so we have 15.3% there).
And don't buy this "If you're a wage or salaried employee, you pay only half the FICA bill (6.2 percent for Social Security + 1.45 percent for Medicare), and the tax is automatically withheld." It is necesary to figure this is part of your check when they pay you. Otherwise you would make more and have to pay it anyway.

Or if you are me this happens. "If you're self-employed, however, you're expected to cough up both the employee and the employer share of FICA."

The gov't takes this money and sells it to banks to let you and me borrow at interest.

Definition of Prime rate."The interest rate banks charge their best customers."
Prime rate 8.25% Updated:  New York, Jul 19 23:39

Average income in U.S.
Real median household income remained unchanged between 2003 and 2004 at $44389

"the unemployment rate was unchanged at 4.6 percent"
"The number of unemployed persons (7.0 million) was essentially unchanged
in June"

Now let's do some simple math.

7 million people is unemployed at 4.6% telling me  that 152,173,913,043,478 people worked last year @  $44389 annual salary. Making a grand total of $6,754,847,826,086.95 million in payroll.

Paying in @15.3% Social Security. Making a grand total of $1,033,491,717,391.30 million in S.S. $$$ per year rough average.

or on an individual basis.  $44389 X (age 16-66 working age)50=$2,219,450 average income in lifetime. Lifetime paid in SS = $339,575.85 plus they get to loan your money at about 7.25% back to you to buy a home or what not.(or more if they decide they need to.
Now banks make about 1% interest on a loan. So 7-1=6% interest the gov't makes on our SS $.

So keeping this simple. Let's say a $100,000 mortgage.
$601.69 X 50 payments =$361,014 minus the original $100K means they have made 261,014 on just $100K

So let's take your original  $339,575.85 and put that in and we get $2043.18X600 payments = $1.225,908

Roughly speaking of course.

Now an individual lives about 75 years. And retires at 67. Now he is expecting to draw about $1000 per month. So 8 years X 12 months=96 payments @ $1000 =$96,000 expected to get back off of our $1.225,908.

Now I don't know about you, but I want my little part of the DAMNED $$$$$$$$$
I hope that was simple enough.  angry4

You won't even see the part you actually paid in in the first place! If you live long enough, and get to draw it out.
Now remember, that was just what was paid in in SS!
What about the rest of the taxes?





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