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« on: January 13, 2005, 12:15:59 PM »

In response to the many questions I have received pertaining to Satellite Dishes, and "pointing them up" ....here is an in-depth PDF Manual that leaves no stone unturned about the principals behind satellite dishes, and just may provide the reader with the precise information they are seeking in order to realise maximum performance from their dishes.  (There is no additional data such as I have posted before on how to align a satellite dish though, this manual is quite the opposite of that article, and was last updated in 1998.  Granted, it gets a bit technical in a few areas, yet the majority of it is very well worded and much of the information can be applied to narrow down "impossible" problems!  Therefore, if you are a dish owner the information contained herein is (or potentially could be) quite valuable throughout, and will assist you in ways that you may not (presently) be aware of. 

*No part of this manual remotely talks about DirecWay Satellite dishes, yet that is of no consequence as the mathematical principles behind dishes have not changed for well over a decade or more, and quite likely it will be another decade before any radical improvements are discovered.  (Hey ....find a way to redesign a dish and you'll have the world knocking down your door to buy it)! 

**At this point in time, the greatest improvement that you can make to your dish is to apply several layers of Rain-X to the concaved area of your dish so that water will not have a fighting chance of sticking to it.  Therewith, in a pouring down rain you will maintain a slightly higher signal due to a lesser amount of water causing reflection problems from the dish into your Feedhorn (collector).
  Smile  Please remember to make sure your dish is NOT transmitting if you are going to be standing in such close proximity to the Emitter!  For DW4000 and 4020 users, just kill the power.  For DW6000 users, you only need to make sure that nobody is using the Internet and you'll be perfectly safe (excluding the dish being atop an 80 foot tower such as mine is)!   Shocked

Enjoy, and feel free to post questions or e-mail me if you wish concerning the matter.

Cheers!

"The Reverend"

* SAT_DISHES.zip (275.95 KB - downloaded 112 times.)
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 01:15:46 PM »

Just ready to tell you had the wrong document,but i see you fixed it. Smile
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 01:20:05 PM »

Hi Lance49726!

How do you mean?  I did not make any corrections/modifications to the post nor change the posted document?  (Maybe I need another cup of coffee)?  lol...

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 01:37:52 PM »

Sorry, i got posts mixed up I downloaded this one DW6000PDF.zip and when i came back i thought i was on the same posts.

Edit: maybe i need to stop banging my head on the computer.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 02:09:29 PM »

AH!  No problem lance49726 ......when I have about 20 'irons in the fire' (helping several ppl at once), I sometimes give worthless info to everyone because I get who wants what all turned around in my little brain ...but at least they cut me slack for it ....and a couple of those times it actually worked out for the better because they got a file they never heard of and fixed problems they didn't know they had)!  LOL! 

Ai-yi-yi ....too bad our brains can't keep up with these monsters we've created!  ;)

"The Rev"

*But you had me wondering like crazy and rechecking all of my last 100 posts!  lol....Did alot of editing so TY!!!  Everything always works out for the better.  And when it comes to this Forum, I ain't had this much fun since the pigs ate my kid sister!  Smile
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2005, 02:22:34 PM »

hm, i wonder what the electro-reflective properties of the lotus-effect paints are. these use microparticles to create a surface so finely textured that nothing adheres to it. this is how the leaf of the lotus keeps from royying from a coat of water. you can pour glue onto it, it will just bead off. sprinkle toner onto it, and you can just rinse it with water.
the small particles shouldnt affect the refl;ection for the pertinent freq range. sounds worth a try.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 02:33:46 PM »

Well, if you have TOO much reflectivity in your dish (like "glossy" paint), you will burn out your "radio" (LNB anyway) in a matter of minutes.  However, ANYTHING that will keep your dish dry is a big help in keeping the multiple-angled reflections streaming into the dead-center of the Collector (Feed Horn).  From there, the LNB amplifies the signals into something useable (two-way) ....and so that's why you can't make it be too hot of a reflection.  Dents in the older metal dishes would cause degrading of signal (confused reflection), and so ppl would take hammers and carefully tap them out ...or at least get them as close to 'curvature' as possible.  There is a "string trick" that you can do that takes about an hour ...and makes your dish look like a giant loom, but in this manner you can use the strings to perfectly align your transducer so that it is 'centered & level' to the exact center of your dish.  Even if it gets off by 1cm, the signal quality will decay ...but with the newer dishes it takes ALOT of force to knock the transducer out of alignment ...and when it happens you will definitely know it because your SS falls into the cellar!  About 15% of the dishes out there have a misaligned feedhorn assembly (that part that the dish reflects the signals into, and out of.  An amazingly simple but complex toy of technology.  Just think of how many uses "concave" has these days!  Parabolic reflectors in telescopes, microscopes, all kinds of medical gear 'scopes', GIANT astronomy telescopes with huge concave "dishes", etc.   All of them simple 'bowls' carefully set to a precise curvature.  Mess up the curvature and you render it useless.

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*Never have heard of lotus-effect paints ...but I am browsing for it!  TY for the info resopalrabotnick
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2005, 04:32:30 PM »

BASF press release

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The lotus effect keeps the leaf surface clean

The clean leaves of the lotus plant provided the inspiration for studies on the self-cleaning of surfaces. Botanist Professor Wilhelm Barthlott of Bonn University succeeded in explaining the lotus effect and utilizing it for technical applications. The self-cleaning process is based on the extremely water-repellent behavior of the leaf surface, also known as superhydrophobia. The water droplets form spherical globules and roll off the leaves even when they are only slightly inclined. Particles of dirt absorbed by the water are removed in the process, as we can see happening with this droplet on the leaf of the ancient Asiatic crop plant Colocasia esculenta. In this picture taken by Barthlott's research team, we can also see the papillae on the cuticula. These papillae about 5 to 10 micrometers high are themselves coated by a fine nanostructure of wax crystals.

<ends>

the water droplet with adhering dirt.



hi-res of same.

http://www.corporate.basf.com/basfcorp/copsfiles/pressefotodb/1209_lotuseffekt-lotus_effect.jpg?id=2Oqn.6BEbbcp1pC

more to follow...
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2005, 05:34:30 PM »

What are you willing to bet that gets synthesized and finds it's way into ALOT of different products?  TY for the links!  Amazing....

The Reverend

*Superhydrophobia ....I know some people like that when tossed into shark-infested waters...
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2005, 05:48:05 PM »

well, there is actually already a few products. this link

http://www.iza.com/zwo_org/Applications/Continuous_Galv/PDFs/03Reier.pdf

is to a pdf, which is mostly about the application process, but at the bottom it has some info on the material itself.

for anti-graffiti, the stuff is hydrophobic, oleophobic and organophobic, so whatever you're trying to spray, it will come off easily. he.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2005, 06:01:50 PM »

That's good because Rain-X works on my dish just fine.  Three coats last three months easily if not a bit more. (All Rain-X is made of is a modified 3-in-1 oil ...in fact, you can use 3 in 1 oil but it doesn't last quite as long, and will cause bugs to 'stick' to your dish!   Shocked   I've been looking for something for my ole bald head that would come off easily ...but I see you've already answered my question!   lol....

TY!  Gonna get me some of that stuff!

The Reverend
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