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« on: October 03, 2007, 09:10:00 AM »

ANYONE LIVE IN NYC...anywhere near ground zero??

you might want to read this...actually u may already know first hand...

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-up


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In the aftermath of the first explosion, the air over Lower Manhattan transformed instantly.

“The sky was glittering with glass,” says Nina L., a Tribeca resident who asked not to be further identified. She ran to her window and saw a shower of flaming jet fuel cascading from one of the towers.

“This can’t be a good thing to have my windows open,” she immediately thought to herself.

Nina closed her windows and shut her air conditioner flues. As a former jeweler, she’d worked around dangerous chemicals before and understood the hazards of toxic fumes. From her apartment seven blocks north of the World Trade Center, she sat transfixed until a second explosion jolted her into action.

Nina tore up an old pillowcase, fashioned a makeshift bandanna over her face, packed her cats into cages, and trekked northward.

“The whole neighborhood was blanketed in a gray snow,” she recalls. “Some people were walking by in moon suits.”

Although Nina could not have known it at the time, she had just entered one of the most dangerous atmospheric conditions ever to occur on American soil, and she suffers the consequences. She had chronic bronchitis until 2003 and still has esophagitis and sinusitis. Many health professionals believe others like her won’t experience the harsher, suffocating symptoms for several more years.

read the full article here...

pretty shocking what WAS done and what SHOULD HAVE been done...what a shame this is and nobody is gonna answer for it...
it's bad enough that our gov't knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it or to get people out of harms way...but they did nothing to protect the people in the aftermath...funny thing is those elected officials were there too and were exposed...guillani will pay with his own health...hahaha
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 11:41:50 AM »

I think you are being a bit hard there Tdawnaz , it was an act of aggression that nobody had expected , not in that form , the whole world was stunned , we certainly where here  in the UK ,
a 1 mile zone seems reasonable to me, what was the alternative ?
how do you evacuate millions of people in 5 Min's. you cant IMHO,

moving on to the possible long term health risk ,  yes I guess there will be , but again what was the alternative ? so Your Government altered the reports on those risks , sometimes I think ignorance is bliss , even living in a city has health risks, so Manhattan becomes empty of people,
due to a panic about a bit extra dust and fumes ? ,and the terrorist win,

I really think folk today expect to much safety and comfort from their government , they demand freedom of infomation , then go ape S#!t when the question of personal infomation is sought ,

it was only a hundred or so years back that you were lucky to live to 50 years of age , many % died early through diesease , malnutrition , war ,
now everybody demands the right to live forever in total comfort and safety, the real word ain't like, that just yet ,
so for me the mayor Guillani , the rescue workers , and the residents of Manhattan are still the hero's of the day IMHO  and also those that died that day, 
and I guess sadly  the latter day hero's will be the ones that gain a big payout through the courts , coz thay have developed a cough, and it's all the Goverments fault !

Oh lol , I almost got on a rant,
and the usual disclaimers apply , feel free to disagree , and as always you have my full Respect
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 12:09:37 PM »

roco...that's not the point...the agencies that r set in place to take care and see that certain safety measures r in place...didn't...they dropped the ball...and guillani lied...

did u read the article...all of it? this is an atrocity...the entire area should have been evacuated and the rescue workers protected...should have been treated as if a nuclear bomb had gone off...asbestos is a silent killer...

no i'm not being harsh at all...this should not have happened...this should be the last thing we have to worry about at this point...
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 12:48:54 PM »

Wow Girl  smitten you certainly have deep feelings about this ,
yeah I read most of the article , and maybe I prejudged the situation ,
 Evil or Very Mad don't mention asbestos , I was exposed to it for 8 years , before it was recognised as a health hazard , I still keep the companies insurance details all the latter day reports , and a sample in a sealed container, not for my benefit but my family ,
and in a rescue attempt (successful ) I was rendered unconscious by Formaldehyde
and now totally allergic to it , ( it's used in cheap emulsion paint as a anti fungicidal ) 10 Min's exposure to that in it's wet state will give me
a severe chest infection 

The agencies (lol ) they cover what is a reasonable eventuality ,
This attack wasn't one of those , IMHO ,

So my dear friend Tdawnaz  what would have been the perfect scenario ?

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 01:06:59 PM »

no roco...this isn't a tiff at all...and i'm not angry...

my father died from asbestos/cigarette related lung cancer...working in the refrigeration industry all his adult life...he was highly exposed...and that exposure coupled with his smoking, drs said that, that form of cancer should have taken him 20 years before it did...so therein lies my passion...

they knew what they were dealing with...just didn't want to go to the expense that it would have been to seal that for clean up...there is no perfect scenerio...but covering it up and looking away while people including children r  exposed is not even close...it's all about money and property...
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 01:33:08 PM »

Ouch , sorry to get you to expose all that grief , I do count every morning that I wake up as a blessing , and the fact I can still pull the
breath meter of the scale ,  I lost my Dad the same way ,
and altough we had different views on life I still miss him , and wish I had time to get to know him better than I did ,

is there a perfect clean up after that ?  I ain't sure there is ?
This act was war, and there will be caualities , that is a hard fact ,
could your Government have done more ? only you can decide that ,
I shouldn't even be giving an opinion on this, IMO
but from my distant view I can't see what else they could have done , apart from rising the white flag ,
 

 



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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 04:52:58 PM »

Yea all conspiracy nut case S#!t aside. What they did to the rescue workers and citizens was flat out S#!tty. They knew the air was horrible, full of asbestos, and they lied. EVIL.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 05:07:28 PM »

Yea all conspiracy nut case S#!t aside. What they did to the rescue workers and citizens was flat out S#!tty. They knew the air was horrible, full of asbestos, and they lied. EVIL.
OK Shug and Tdawnaz, what was the options ?
 
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 05:15:20 PM »

You need to read my theory again!

http://www.testmy.net/forum/index.php?topic=20733.msg241728#new

Here is another PPS of 911. The more I look at it I can see many reasons why it happened. First the two buildings hardly had enough office space rented to fill 3/4 of one building. Big waste of space. Also if you look at the pictures you will see to take these buildings down to build something more reasonable would cost into the billions for the demolition! No one in there right mind would have passed an Environmental Impact Study to do a Implosion  Demolition. The good people of New York City would never of stood for that kind of mess and have to pick up the bill for the fall out.
 Now here comes the true greed of the Ultra Rich. Stocks of two Airlines (United & American) make billions for the Company's. Whats a couple planes to make that kind of money? Who's really say there were people on those plane,the Government run Media? The list could of been made up like false identity's in a witness relocation program. Our Government is run by the Oil Company's. Need to make a lot of money? Let the Government declare War on the richest Oil producing Country on Earth. Presto-Changeo (another Viet Nam) big profits. Need a fall guy blame it on Osama!
 These are my thoughts! Like I said before if you trust this Government your a fool!

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2007, 06:23:10 PM »

OK Shug and Tdawnaz, what was the options ?
 
First off tell the people the air was toxic, not lie. Many of them probably would have not been there if they knew just breathing would sentence them to death. Second, give the rescue workers proper gear (respirators) before allowing them at ground zero. There is plenty they could have done, asking what the options were when they didnt even tell people there was a problem to begin with (actually LIED and said there was no problem when the city knew at the very least the building was filled with asbestos) is not the right approach to take.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2007, 07:14:08 PM »

yep...what he said ^^^

...shugar u best be votin my poll...or i'm eating all the cookies!!
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 05:11:33 PM »

First off tell the people the air was toxic, not lie. Many of them probably would have not been there if they knew just breathing would sentence them to death. Second, give the rescue workers proper gear (respirators) before allowing them at ground zero. There is plenty they could have done, asking what the options were when they didnt even tell people there was a problem to begin with (actually LIED and said there was no problem when the city knew at the very least the building was filled with asbestos) is not the right approach to take.
again I ask what was the alternative , how do you move 1.5 million people in less than 5 mins ? , you may have seen a bit of grid lock there ,


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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2007, 08:19:10 PM »

it's what they didn't do after the fact that betrays their fiduciary duty to the citizens that trusted them...they should have (at the very least) announced that the air may be filled with asbestos...and the opposite was done..."go ahead and breathe deep my fellow new yorkers...it's safe" well nobody actually said that but inferred it with their lack of action and denials...
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2007, 01:50:37 AM »

Hmm, I still think more harm would have been done by making any public announcement, just think of the scale of panic that would have caused? , sad as it is, these folk are causalities of that tragic incident,
Yeah, I do believe at certain times knowledge of the situation is best kept secrete,

On the perils of asbestos , well, anyone over 40 years of age and a city dweller , would have been exposed to asbestos dust for over 20 years of their lives , from brake and clutch dust that would have been blowing around the streets ,

IMO, I think the biggest threat to us all is radiation , levels have been rising for over 50 years , by about the same ratio as cancer , and that link has been confirmed long ago , and that threat isn't just local it's world wide ,

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2007, 09:30:03 AM »

roco do me a favor if u have a few minutes...click my link in my first post...please read the whole thing...lots of facts and figures that makes what the officials did, make no sense...
the article is 7 (er 6 1/4 pages long...photos...if u read that whole thing and still believe that the officials did all they should have done...then i'll agree to disagree...

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“I was down there watching people working without respirators,” Newman says. “Others took off their respirators to eat. It was a surreal, ridiculous, unacceptable situation.”

Stringent protocols govern asbestos contamination cleanup. After a specialized training period, health exam, and certification, licensed technicians must wear industrial-grade respirators and asbestos-resistant suits. New York City has a history of properly addressing asbestos contamination. Back in 1989, a relatively small steam pipe explosion on Gramercy Park South sent 200 pounds of asbestos blowing onto neighboring buildings. As a precaution, the entire building was covered in protective plastic sheeting, and city environmental officials complained that the cleanup would require more than four weeks of painstaking procedures for outdoor decontamination alone. More than 200 area tenants were displaced for weeks following the accident.

The World Trade Center had been, by some accounts, the largest fireproofing project in the world, with possibly
400 to 1,000 tons of asbestos, which was released during the collapse. Bureaucrats aired their assurances to the world.


“The air is safe as far as we can tell, with respect to chemical and biological agents,” Giuliani pronounced two days after the attack.

On September 12, a regional EPA office volunteered to send 30 to 40 electron microscopes to Ground Zero to test bulk dust samples for the presence of asbestos fibers, according to EPA whistle-­blower Cate Jenkins, yet the local EPA office declined the offer, opting for the less effective polarized light microscopy testing method instead. Jenkins had further alleged that regional office personnel were told by the local EPA office: “We don’t want you F#@&ing cowboys here. The best thing they could do is reassign you to Alaska.”

Three days after 9/11, following questionable air sampling techniques, a spokesperson for the EPA said that levels of asbestos were either at low levels, negligible, or undetectable.

“I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that the air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink,” Whitman said one week after 9/11.
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